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French Second Aircraft Carrier (CVF FR)
Deuxième porte-avions français (PA2)
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Press release from DCN issued 12 December 2005: French PA2 carrier programme advanced to next design phase French defence procurement agency DGA has formally awarded DCN and Thales a ‘relay contract’ to continue their work on the design of the planned ‘PA2’ aircraft carrier. This marks a major milestone in the design of this second carrier for the French Navy. The PA2 design phase was officially launched by French Minister for Defence Mme Michèle Alliot-Marie on 24 January 2005. The studies undertaken since early 2005 have focused on the opportunities for cooperation between the French PA2 and the British CVF programmes. These studies concluded, moreover, that the basic CVF design could, with limited tailoring, meet the French Navy's requirements. The new contract, worth €20 million, will enable the PA2 team to proceed with a detailed preliminary design of a “tailored CVF”. These studies will be undertaken by MOPA2, the integrated DCN/Thales prime contract office. The milestone marking the end of the design phase and the start of the production phase is scheduled for late 2006. |
It was revealed by the French media that CVF FR was expected to displace about 65,000 tonnes, be 283 metres long with a 69 metres beam, carry up to 40 aircraft including 32 Rafale fighters, be fitted with two steam catapults and arresting gear, and accommodate up to 1650 crew and airgroup (compared to 1800 for CVF UK).
Some desired design changes had already been identified by the MOPA2, and apparently accepted by the UK Aircraft Carrier Team as part of the joint baseline, for example increasing the designs storage capacity for jet fuel from 3 million to 5 million litres by utilising compartments previously intended for sea water ballast.
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At a meeting between UK Defence Minister John Reid and French Defence Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie on 24 January 2006, a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) concerning Anglo-French Future Aircraft Carrier cooperation was signed. This will enable the sharing of the detailed and often classified information necessary to finalise the French adaptation of the delta variant of the British CVF design. The MoU also establishes a framework for France to compensate the UK for costs that it has already incurred, and will contribute towards future work of common benefit.
John Reid said “We have an agreement to continue our cooperation in the management of this project for the next 12 months”. The French agreed to initially pay up to £100 million (€145 million) in three instalments - this representing one third of Assessment Phase costs incurred by the MOD UK in the period 1999-2005. France would make an immediate £30 million payment and an additional £25 pound payment in July. They will pay another £45 million by the end of 2006 if they still wish to continue development of the CVF FR design variant.
In addition, France agreed to eventually put in another £40m towards the development of the carrier. On 14 December 2005 the UK CVF Project had entered the Demonstration Phase, which will complete the detailed design work needed before construction can begin. Dr Reid revealed that “We have agreed that France will pay one third of the demonstration phase costs of the common base line design". The additional £40m payment will cover about one-third of the development work common to the two UK carriers and the additional French ship, which Britain estimated at £115m.
Mr Reid said any decision on whether to move forward as a bi-national programme would be made at the end of 2006, but it appears unlikely France, which has invested financially in the programme and has now invested considerable political capital towards an agreement, would back off in 12 months.
Senior negotiators said Britain would retain full control of the programme despite the French participation. Sir Peter Spencer, head of the Defence Procurement Agency, said: "There is no joint decision-making." British officials have been insistent on such control in order to avoid disputes that have destroyed past joint programmes, particularly UK participation in the Horizon common frigate.
For the French, the deal allows them to jump approximately two years ahead in their efforts to build PA2 since the DCN lead Project Juliette was far less advanced than the CVF design. The Financial Times reported that the French decision came after nearly three years of fitful negotiations, and that people involved in the meeting emerged surprised and giddy that a deal was completed. "We did not expect such a fruitful result," said one French official. Both sides said the final talks were also unusual in that both Mr Reid and Ms Alliot-Marie were personally involved in detailed and sometimes heated negotiations.
The formal Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between the UK and French Governments on cooperation on aircraft carriers was signed on 6 March 2006, on the sidelines of an informal meeting of EU defence ministers in Innsbruck by John Reid and Michele Alliot-Marie. This gave French officials access to the detailed and often classified information and documents necessary to finalise the French adaptation of the delta variant of the British CVF design. The MoU also formalised the framework for France to compensate the UK for costs that it has already incurred, and to contribute towards future work of common benefit.
An internal review of CVF-FR design was passed on 22 June 2006, and MOPA2 (common company of DCN and Thales in load of the project) presented the General Delegation for Armament (DGA) at the end of July with the results of its study in to how the British CVF design could be adapted to meet the needs of the Marine Nationale while retaining as much commonality as possible, as well as a first detailed financial estimate.
A report in La Tribune newspaper on 29 August 2006 claimed that the MOPA2 had "made recommendations to the specifications" for PA2 from the baseline CVF design, the French Ministry of Defense confirmed the report on the 31 August. The proposed changes would apparently increase displacement from about 65,000 tonnes to 74,000 tonnes (this is probably the end of service life limiting displacement, other reports have since referred to 70,000 tonnes), increase maximum flight deck width by 4 metres( to 73 metres) increase draft by 2 metres (to 11.5 metres) and reduce speed from 26.3 knots to about 25.0 knots (DCN says 26 knots).
The increase in displacement was primarily due to Marine Nationale requirements related to the airgroup; including the fitting of heavy steam catapults and associated boilers, changes to the hanger space, increased fuel storage, the storage and handling of air launched nuclear weapons, and the fitting of a sophisticated anti-roll system. There were also substantial changes to the ships internal layout to conform to French practices. Additionally, the Marine Nationale was very unhappy about the reduction in speed and subsequently sought an increase to close to the 29 knots it had originally specified for PA2. The suggested mechanism was a change from two conventional shafts to a single centre shaft plus two high output propulsion pods - a fairly significantly design change.
These changes could not be made without increasing costs and after the report was received, the DGA apparently had serious concerns about PA2 budget estimates, and the industrial organisation. The UK also expressed serious concern about the scale of the proposed changes. Commonality was dropping below 80% and CVF FR was rapidly becoming a separate class from CVF UK, rather than a simple variant with minimum changes. Hoped for economies associated with co-operating with the UK seemed likely to be less than had been expected.
A key factor was now cost, there was a de-facto price cap of €2.7 billion on PA2, and if this could not be met then officials were warning that the project is in danger of cancellation.
There was also still uncertainty about how to build and fit-out the new carrier - not necessarily helped by government ownership of DCN and a naval consolidation plan involving Thales. France was concerned that manufacturing decisions already made by the UK had limited scope for co-operation and costs savings. A desire to reduce costs to an affordable level lead the MOPA2 and DGA to even consider building blocks in an Eastern European (probably Polish) shipyard. They also looked at the possibility of building the French CVF hull in the UK as part of a three-ship production line rather than at the Aker Yards (formerly Chantiers de L'Atlantique) shipyard as had long been expected - but there were serious French doubts about the cost base of UK shipyards; their size, facilities, capacity and capabilities; and continuing deep concerns about the risks associated with the superblock approach. French officials complained in September that the UK failed to provide them with the information needed to consider this option seriously, and it had to be eliminated.
A new design contract (the third so far) to develop a detailed industrial plan and proposal for the construction of PA2 was signed on 25 September 2006, with the plan to be delivered by Christmas! DCN and Thales now teamed with several large partners: Aker Yards worked on the platform, EADS on elements of the system of combat, MBDA on the munitions handling, Bertin Technologies on human factors and Thales Naval on the definition of the common design baseline with the UK. However the MOPA2 still had only 40 employees, many working in the UK trying frantically to agree the common baseline design with their CVF counterparts.
It had been previously decided by the DGA on 21 September to require the MOPA2 to achieve 90% commonality with the UK during the new contract . Since then some of the design changes proposed in July have been dropped (e.g. relocation of the air wing operations room and alterations to accommodation arrangements) , while five others have now been better provided for in the common baseline design with UK agreement - slightly widened lifts able to handle the Rafale fighter; improved allowance for the steam catapults and associated boilers, arresting gear, increased fuel storage, and the SATRAP stabilisation system. The agreement by the Anglo-French team on common arrangements for accommodation, operations/command, wet and engineering spaces represents significant progress - although the last is dependent on the French Navy not insisting on a significantly higher speed.
In September 2006 it was revealed that the DCN/Thales joint company MOPA2 project provided offices for the major PA2 programme partners, specifically: Armaris (combat systems), Aker Yards France (platform), EADS (combat system modules), MBDA (ammunition management) and Berlin Technologies (human factors study), all associated with the programme’s definition phase. DCN said that this participation in the studies does not reflect each company's specific role, which would be decided later. DCN also stated that the MOPA2 had than 40 engineers and senior officers, and a permanent team based in Bristol (location of the main offices of both the MOD's CVF Integrated Project Team and the Aircraft Carrier Alliance), in charge of making sure that the documents received from the British teams met France’s needs and offered options suitable for the PA2. French experts at the ACA were there to speak for France’s programme requirements and to gather technical, cost and schedule information regarding the CVF project. By September 2006 the MOPA2 had more than 1,000 documents describing the CVF design as well as access to the British secured network of about 6,000 sources. MOPA2 members were also participating in the preparation of common acquisitions within the ACA and lending their experience to the British teams, especially in the field of operating a conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) carrier aircraft if that was chosen by the U.K.
PA2 Project - Current
Situation
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The project remains in the Design and Definition Phase.
At a press conference on 27 September 2006, French Defence Minister Michelle Alliot-Marie admitted that PA2 was vulnerable to cancellation by a future government that was focussed more on increasing Social rather than Defence related spending (French Presidential elections are due May 2007). The following day Les Echos newspaper quoted DCN Chief Executive Jean-Marie Poimboeuf as saying there was only a 50% chance that the carrier will be built and anyway DCN "doesn't have the means to build a 70,000 tonnes ship", reference to suggestions that it might be built in the UK .
France has delayed a decision from December 2006 to March/April 2007 on whether to place contracts for further detailed CVF-FR design work and the procurement of long lead items - which would trigger a further €50 million payment to the UK (€100 million has apparently been paid so far). The long lead equipment would include American designed and manufactured steam catapults and arresting gear, expected to be ordered by early 2007.
On 25 October 2006, the Le Monde newspaper reported that the Minister for Defense, Michele Alliot-Marie, was taking a very firm position concerning the uncertainties which weigh on the PA2 program after the French Presidential election of 2007. She said that "it will be difficult to stop a full and whole co-operation which functions perfectly under the agreement shared by France and the United Kingdom”. She also said that the €700 million allocated for PA2 under the 2007 Finance Law is " a firm decision, final, on which we invest”. French officials claimed that commonality between the CVF-UK and CVF-FR variants was over 90%, and said that three CVFs would be built - or none.
In mid-December the MOPA2 completed its detailed industrial plan and proposal for the construction of the new carriers. The file was reviewed on 18 December by the board of directors of DCN. It was then to validated by CA of MOPA2 before being delivered on 20 December to the DGA (just 5 days before the Christmas deadline). It's believed that the proposal gives "over 80%" commonality between PA2 and the CVF UK, and is priced at about €3.2 billion (£2.1 billion).
Assuming that the proposal was acceptable, the French Defense Ministry hoped that a Dossier de Lancement et de Réalisation (DLR) - equivalent to the UKs ‘Main Gate Approval’ could be made at the end of March 2007, and notification of the contract follow before the expiry of the current offer in May.
However reports in February indicated that the DGA considered that the €3.2 billion price tag to be too high, and was looking for a quick 15-20% reduction. If that is not quickly obtained then French Presidential and Parliamentary elections would delay any order for the ship in the second half of 2007 (at best).
Vigorous negotiations, some small cuts in equipment fit, and insistence that the total project costs must come within the available budget, had by March 2007 apparently resulted in a reduced build price of €2.5 billion (about £1.7 billion, i.e. less than the £1.9 billion each the UK is expected to pay for its far less expensively equipped ships!) - less than the reported unit cost of the two (simpler) STOVL configured UK carriers! However this price tag apparently depends upon Aker Yards become a risk sharing partner in the project rather than a subcontractor, and much closer industrial linkage with the UK CVF project - this apparently including the manufacture at St. Nazaire of CVF superblocks or even their whole hulls, BAE Systems Surface Ship Solutions (formerly known as BAE Naval Ships) and VT being compensated for the loss of work by being given a share of the overall savings.
UK sources finally confirmed in early April that the CVF build strategy was being reviewed, with a decision expected by the end of the month. Under one option it appears that two (out of five) superblocks - probably the large, midships blocks 2 and 3 - might be reallocated to France. Final assembly of the British carriers could also be moved from Rosyth to Sante Nazaire.

The CVF/PA2 base-line design includes five superblocks. The UK MOD announced in
December 2005 that Block 1 would be built by BES at Rosyth, Block 2 by VT
Shipbuilding at Portsmouth, Block 3 by BAE Submarines at Barrow, and Blocks 4 & 5
by BAE Naval Ships on the Clyde (the Govan shipyard with assistance from Scotstoun), with
assembly and final outfitting by BES at Rosyth. It has been
expected that France would build the whole hull of its PA2 at Aker Yards at St Nazaire with final
out fitting by DCN
at Brest. One option under
consideration in March/April 2007 in an effort to reduce costs appears to be the
reallocation of blocks for the three UK and French carriers on a common
workshare basis - probably Block 1 to VT
Portsmouth, Blocks 2 & 3 to Aker Yards and/or DCN, with Blocks 4 & 5 remaining at
the BAE Clyde yards.
Notes:
1. This diagram fails to show that the
UK intends to offer the ships upper decks to open tender.
2. For scale, the lower
divisions are 10 metre wide, and Block 3 alone will displace 16,800 tonnes.
In mid April 2007 the Chief Executive of Thales, Denis Ranque, confirmed that with the backing of the French government the company had submitted a proposal to the UK MOD for merging the separate PA2 and CVF projects into a single three-ship programme. He said that "Building the ships together would be in the best interests of British and French taxpayers." He suggested that a French yard could build one-third of the hull for each ship; British yards could build the other two-thirds: "If we can find a way that industry is incentives, if part of the savings are going to industry itself, I do not see why our friends at BAE Systems would not take that on." It was said by others that this new approach could realise savings of about £80 million (€120 million) per ship.
BAE Systems is believed to be resisting the French proposal on the grounds that
it would cause further delays and that UK shipyards would be unable to each
build their superblocks for three ships in the time scales being demanded by the
two governments. When asked to comment, the Ministry of Defence said that
it was still considering all industrial proposals for the carrier-building plan,
and that the final go-ahead for the British carriers was still being negotiated.
On 6 May 2007 Nicolas Sarkozy was elected as the new French President, although expected to place a slightly lower priority on defence spending than his predecessor, Jacques Chirac, he had previously publicly expressed support for PA2 (the second French aircraft carrier).
With the projects future reasonably assured the French MoD was expected to try pressure the UK in to making a commitment to CVF before options negotiated on long lead items such as steam catapults expire on 31 May 2007. The delays associated with renegotiating these would threaten France's objective of having the new carrier fully operational in early 2015 - when FNS Charles de Gaulle will enter an extended overhaul and refuelling period. No such commitment had been received from the UK by the end of May, but some unconfirmed reports suggest that France actually signed a €50 million ($67 million) contract for two 90-metre long C13-2 steam catapults for PA2 on 7 May 2007.
On 18 May 2007, Hervé Morin was appointed as France's new Defence Minister, replacing Michèle Alliot-Marie. His first action - under a President expected to place a slightly lower priority on Defence spending than his predecessor - will be to conduct a defence review to establish the 2008 Defence Budget and the 2008-2013 Military Spending Law. Statements from him, and the new President, supporting PA2 are now awaited.
In June 2007, the UK media began to suggest that the preferred CVF/PA2 approach may well be full Anglo-French co-operation, with the Royal Navy receiving the first and third carriers (entering service in 2015 and about 2020 respectively), and the French Marine Nationale the second carrier (entering service about 2017). Superblock's 2 & 3 will be built in French shipyard(s), while 1 and 4+5 will go to UK shipyards. [Note that a major source of information for some recent media reports appears to be this website, so there could be circular referencing].
According to various French media reports, during a visit to the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle on 20 June, Morine noted that no final decision had yet been taken to build a second carrier. A few days later he said He said “in principle, we will have a second aircraft carrier”, but that was put in the context of an ideal world with less budgetary constraints. Sarkozy stated on 23 June that defence procurement “clearly continues to suffer from insufficient controls and from a mismatch between programs and requirements”, defence procurement decisions should be the result of a prioritized expression of capability requirements, and “not just a catalogue of weapons.”
In early July 2007, Prime Minister Francois Fillon said in a speech to the lower house of the National Assembly that the current Defence Spending Review would involve tough choices, such as whether and when France needed a second aircraft carrier. “We are working towards making this second aircraft carrier. A definitive decision will be taken, based on all the analyses, between the end of this year and the start of next year [2008].”
The UK announced on 25 July 2007 that Main Gate approval had been given to order and
manufacture two carriers at cost of £3.8 billion (€5.8 billion), for entry in to
service in 2014 and 2016.
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PA2 Delay
On 27 May 2008, French President
The death of CVF-FR?
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Ministère de la Défense
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A propos du second porte-avions
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French National Assembly
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L'AVENIR DU GROUPE AÉRONAVAL : La nécessité d'un second porte-avions
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Examen du rapport de la mission d'information sur le mode de propulsion
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Audition de M. Denis Ranque, président-directeur général de Thales
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